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CITY ADMITS SPEEDHUMP OVERKILL

Posted in city of fremantle, traffic, Uncategorized by freoview on June 30, 2017

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Some of the 30 recently installed speedhumps along South Terrace in South Fremantle will be removed as the City of Fremantle fast recognised that it is overkill and has a negative impact on traffic, with some motorists doing slaloms around the humps, which makes it dangerous.

One speedhump in Wray Avenue will also be removed as the contractor created one more than they were instructed to do.

The negativity about it all is very annoying though.

As so often happens there are people in the community who claim they were not consulted on council issues in their neighbourhood. People against the speedhumps in South Fremantle now question the number of the residents who participated in the South Fremantle Precinct community meetings with City of Fremantle officers.

What they are suggesting is that because on average around 75 people per meeting attended the meetings at The Local hotel over a one year period they are not representative of the South Fremantle community.

If we take this further Fremantle Council also does not have a mandate because just under 30% of eligible people bother to vote at the local government elections.

What those who are now protesting loudly, after the horse has bolted, are saying is that the people who are willing to inform themselves and take the time to participate in the democratic process are less relevant than those who can’t be bothered to take an active interest in their community.

Do people really believe it is practical to door knock every resident before local governments make decisions, or that there should be on-line surveys rather than face to face communication between CoF officers and the affected communities?

One needs to question also if an on-line survey would reach 100% of affected people and how many of them would bother to participate, because community apathy is a curse for local government.

If people want to make a positive contribution to Fremantle they have to make an effort to inform themselves and not wait till it is served on a plate to them. Individuals have to combat their own ignorance about council matters and participate, rather than making uniformed comments from the sideline.

It is very important to share our ideas and concerns and find solutions together. Respectful dialogue between council officers, the community and elected members is a great way forward that we all can work on.

No one can be blamed for people not taking the time to inform themselves. They can only blame themselves.

Roel Loopers

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  1. Sean hefferon said, on July 6, 2017 at 10:18 pm

    Roel thanks for your latest reply which I have just read. I have since put my name forward to the South Fremantle precinct Facebook page and await acceptance as it is a closed group. I must say I find the tone of your replies somewhat “interesting” but then email can be less than ideal. As for the plethora of speed humps it is a sledgehammer approach and the Council response supports that view. I travel a fair bit and the approach used locally on this matter is out of step with my experience anyway.

  2. Rob Fittock said, on July 1, 2017 at 7:25 am

    elements of the Woonerf concept have worked on slowing traffic down on busy roads Roel however these humps are a quick fix engineering solution but engineers do have creativity in them but don’t use it enough

    taking one or two out is another quick fix for CoF and will not overcome the problem

  3. freoview said, on July 1, 2017 at 6:02 am

    My comments about people making accusations and assumptions that are not based on facts and hence ignorant is more general than just about the South Fremantle speedhumps, Sean.

    Yes I do mention your suggestion of a survey in the context of the low percentage of people that might participate, as is the case with local government elections.

    Simply lowering the speed limit or putting zebra crossings up as some suggested is not realistic because the State Mainroads Department won’t allow it.

    Nothing happens over night at local and other governments. it is a very slow and deliberate process of getting permissions, quotes, etc. and the officers are pretty diligent, albeit it not perfect.

    Precinct meetings are organised by the precinct, not the City of Fremantle and it is up to the residents and businesses to infom themselves. While the City does the cooking it can’t be expected to also individually hand feed every person in the community. It’s up to us to go out and find information and connect with our community, as you and others can do through the South Fremantle Precinct Facebook page, which you can access from anywhere when you are mobile and not in Freo. That gives you the chance to put suggestions and comments on which the convenor can pass on to City officers.

    The present small speedhumps will be replaced with permanent bitumen platforms which are flat on top and act as de facto pedestrian crossings. There will also be bicycle lanes painted on the road, trees planted along the footpaths, and street furniture installed to give the area a more residential feel in the hope motorists will recognise that and take more care and slow down.

    Roel

  4. Sean hefferon said, on June 30, 2017 at 9:03 pm

    Great video

  5. Sean hefferon said, on June 30, 2017 at 8:22 pm

    Roel interesting comments from you. You use words such as “respectful dialogue” and then next sentence label people as ignorant. Much of your article clearly is referencing (and misrepresenting) some comments I made in good faith (and respectfully) on freo massive. Disappointing. Also my idea about an online survey is misrepresented by you as I never suggested 100% uptake rather I suggested additional communication forums (which would or should be a minimal cost) in order to access more ratepayers. Also I cannot recall myself or anyone stating door knocking as an option to ascertain views.
    And yes Roel, 75 people attending a meeting is not necessarily representative of general Fremantle residents.

  6. freoview said, on June 30, 2017 at 6:59 pm

    The woonerf concept is a very good one but does not work on major roads. For example there are not many residential properties along Ord Street, but the most southern part of South Terrace would be good to apply the woonerf idea as there are many cafes and restaurants and people walking and cycling there.

    Roel

  7. Rob Fittock said, on June 30, 2017 at 6:53 pm

    Sheila Granger nailed it in the video over Cr Carol Dee and her stats which don’t lie….shared space aka Woonerf = education to take away the car’s domination of the street

  8. freoview said, on June 30, 2017 at 4:34 pm

    These rubber speedhumps are only temporary and will be replaced with bitumen ‘platforms’ Paul.

    Motorists will always try to get around them, as they do on Swanbourne Street, hence East Fremantle has narrowed the areas where speedhumps are along Riverside Drive so cars cant swerve around them.

    Roel

  9. freoishome said, on June 30, 2017 at 4:26 pm

    Roel, I agree with your remarks about those who are bleating about the South Freo changes. The SF Precinct has put in a huge effort to encourage locals to express their opinions, over a very long period. I’ve attended several of those meetings and they have been very vocal, and each has raised issues that have been taken into account.

    Regarding the actual speed humps. I was cycling there yesterday and found that because they are narrow many cars and the buses after the first one realised they could drive at their normal speed with their tyres either side. Some other people did slalom, which is very stressful to be close too on a bike, better to relocate them to positions where slalom is less practical!

    I don’t understand why the speed humps are so high in the middle, as no one normally drives on that part, unless they are trying to just impact one wheel. A better design would be a lower and wider version, throughout, with sufficient space for cyclists to pass on their kerbside.

    Paul

  10. bigjulie said, on June 30, 2017 at 11:37 am

    I deplore speed humps because they are not clever, rather, merely annoying and obligatory.
    Whatever your speed, you will receive a severe head & brain sloshing. Neck joints and lower articulations also get a severe wack twice.
    “Shake it, you will break it” is a neurological banner warning of the severe concussion in boxing or the medium concussion from soccer. What is the threshold for minimal brain shake? A redesign could be imagined with a softer gradient upon exit or even a S shape tyre path so to avoid the thorough head wobble. Why not just metal domes that one could snake through?

    Some years ago, a lawyer friend was driving over speed humps without slowing down. I cautiously asked him “did you study physics at school?”
    “No, I did not, why?”
    “Well, the vector forces involved in lifting a large engine block 9 inches up and then down in 0.6 seconds are huge”.
    “Oh, nothing to worry about, this is a Mercedes!” he chortled dismissively aiming for the next steeple chase jump.
    Some months later, his 12 month old Mercedes cost him thousands of dollars to have all the rubber engine mounts and suspension rubbers replaced. Now that is a brain injury, eh wot?

    A final point of concern is “how much does a speed hump actually cost?”


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